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Gainu

Posts: 72 Join date: 2011-04-07 Age: 21 Location: UK
 | Subject: Rude and antisocial characters - Opinions please Fri 15 Apr - 17:42 | |
| Hey,
This is a fairly popular style of character, I do like it. I have a problem with players who role play characters just walking off, or ignoring you without annoucing it IC, such as;
The Gnome jumps about excitingly "Hello There!" Jack doesn't take notice of the gnome
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Jack turns to the gnome "Are you going into the Tavern?"
Jack before giving the gnome a chance reply "Urgh" then walks off
Fairly simple, it shows the Player is not being ignorant, impatient or genuinely avoiding rp and it is intentionally done IC, as such it can be also followed up IC. Also, It also helps the more Rude, Antisocial, Lone wolf like characters get noticed as Role players, aswell as being a great help for understanding the characters actions too.
The reason this topic came up is because i've seen it alot, characters walking off, not acknowladging what i've written and such, which is fine but it would be nice for it to be role playered rather than acted out and left to individual players to assume it was the character not the player.
Also, i'd like others opinions.
Thank you,
Gainu
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deserk

Posts: 272 Join date: 2010-12-31 Age: 21 Location: Stavanger, Norway
 | Subject: Re: Rude and antisocial characters - Opinions please Fri 15 Apr - 18:09 | |
| Mhm, I agree its rude to do such without RP explanation, but perfectly legitimate if you do have an explanation. |
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Gainu

Posts: 72 Join date: 2011-04-07 Age: 21 Location: UK
 | Subject: Re: Rude and antisocial characters - Opinions please Fri 15 Apr - 18:17 | |
| Yeah, I mean with an RP explanation, would it be best to let others know of your actions IC by writting them up as an action/emote such as; *Walks off ignoreing the halfling* and such
Gainu |
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Falling Leaf

Posts: 785 Join date: 2010-11-24
 | Subject: Re: Rude and antisocial characters - Opinions please Fri 15 Apr - 18:31 | |
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CrispyWalrus

Posts: 373 Join date: 2011-03-12 Age: 41 Location: Massachusetts
 | Subject: Re: Rude and antisocial characters - Opinions please Fri 15 Apr - 18:58 | |
| I take everything as IC and nothing personally as a player unless it is noted OOC or in a tell. I can see this either way-- it is pretty redundant to see an emote *draws his swords and shield* when I can see that they just did that. Likewise if someone is ignoring another character there is no real need to emote *is ignoring you*. It is sort of silly but that said I have no problem seeing it too. It can be rather difficult for loner anti-social characters as they lack the interactions many others can take for granted and earn RP xp. Emotes can bridge the gap between being that character while still participating in RP. Because of this I am in the emote camp myself, but I have no problem if someone ignores me and if I am confused a quick tell clears up any OOC misunderstandings fast enough 9 times out of 10. We are all players having fun together even though our characters are not. I prefer something more than *ignores Dudo* but if that is all one can manage-- *shrugs*. I would totally rather see *shoots Dudo an icy look and then turns away from him offering no further acknowledgment* though. |
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Gainu

Posts: 72 Join date: 2011-04-07 Age: 21 Location: UK
 | Subject: Re: Rude and antisocial characters - Opinions please Fri 15 Apr - 19:15 | |
| | Quote: | | It can be rather difficult for loner anti-social characters as they lack the interactions many others can take for granted and earn RP xp. Emotes can bridge the gap between being that character while still participating in RP. Because of this I am in the emote camp myself, but I have no problem if someone ignores me and if I am confused a quick tell clears up any OOC misunderstandings fast enough 9 times out of 10. |
Yes, one of my points was that it would help bridge that gap and I'm glad that you see that.
About not having a problem if someone ignores you, I can't help but feel there is a lack of connection,and that they're not making an effort to role play. Although their actions are implied without emote, it would be nice as a player to player interaction/connection and IC also.
Players thinking "Oh, They'll know the character is ignoring them, because i'm not typing anything", isn't very interactive of them, such lack of effort too. Personally, I would like to see more of an effort.
| Quote: | | I prefer something more than *ignores Dudo* but if that is all one can manage-- *shrugs*. I would totally rather see *shoots Dudo an icy look and then turns away from him offering no further acknowledgment* though |
Oh defnitely the more info the better 
| Quote: | | I take everything as IC and nothing personally as a player unless it is noted OOC or in a tell. |
Definitly best way to think, I'm the same. I'd like to clarify this isn't a rant n i'm not expecting this to become law or anything, just something i've come across and was interested in other opinions, it's just a discussion.
Gainu |
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CrispyWalrus

Posts: 373 Join date: 2011-03-12 Age: 41 Location: Massachusetts
 | Subject: Re: Rude and antisocial characters - Opinions please Fri 15 Apr - 19:38 | |
| | Gainu wrote: | | Quote: | | It can be rather difficult for loner anti-social characters as they lack the interactions many others can take for granted and earn RP xp. Emotes can bridge the gap between being that character while still participating in RP. Because of this I am in the emote camp myself, but I have no problem if someone ignores me and if I am confused a quick tell clears up any OOC misunderstandings fast enough 9 times out of 10. |
About not having a problem if someone ignores you, I can't help but feel there is a lack of connection,and that they're not making an effort to role play. Although their actions are implied without emote, it would be nice as a player to player interaction/connection and IC also. |
One of the things I learned long ago is that everyone will roleplay as they will and not how I always like... so long as there is roleplay (whether or not it seems complete enough even) saying one is "not making an effort to role play" comes too close to judging another's RP here, which is explicitly not allowed by players. -- i.e. you can't accept just being ignored as their RP but seem to think they need to emote it. I do agree with you in theory and am an emoter myself but as I said I treat it all as IC-- it is entirely up to another in how they roleplay. Want to be sure that they are truly ignoring you and didn't just miss a chat message? Send a tell-- it also alleviates any IC stresses between your characters from becoming OOC ones between players. I feel you about interaction with my fellow players but I use tells for my player to player interaction. Roleplay is strictly character to character. |
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magus_taliesin

Posts: 1559 Join date: 2010-11-19
 | Subject: Re: Rude and antisocial characters - Opinions please Sat 16 Apr - 4:36 | |
| Please look at this from the other side too. Isn't it just as rude to ask others to conform to your style of RP? What would be your knee-jerk reaction to a post like this... | Quote: | | Hi, I was wondering if people could stop using so many emotes. It's completely unnecessary to emote that your character is ignoring me, it can simply be done. Why emote *turns and walks away* when graphically you can turn and walk away? Please stop filling my screen with useless text and just do it. Everything that is said or done IC is IC, so why should we assume that the lack of something said is all of a sudden OOC? |
See, same issue, from the other side. It would also be a rude post, and I would be completely against it as well. Though, I stumbled upon a good point at the end I believe. If everything that is said and done is IC is IC, why should we assume that the lack of something said is suddenly OOC? If their toon turns and walks away from you, they have done just that. If you feel it is out of character, send a tell. It's seriously rude to tell people you want them to start RPing the way you want them to, instead of accepting their form of RP as just as legitimate.
As a side note, I emote sometimes and sometimes I don't. If my ranger walks by and ignores you, 9 times out of 10 that is what she is doing, and I don't feel the need to emote that. If I did it by accident, or would have made some form of greeting I will send you a tell. Done it before, because when I play I am not always focused on the screen. I do a lot of things while I play and sometimes I accidentally ignore someone my ranger wouldn't.
In the end, accept everyone's style of RP. When in doubt ask, because nothing will cause OOC irritation more than a post saying "I want people to RP the way I want them to, not the way they want to." |
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Falling Leaf

Posts: 785 Join date: 2010-11-24
 | Subject: Re: Rude and antisocial characters - Opinions please Sat 16 Apr - 4:57 | |
| I think it should be pretty clear that everything a character does should only be taken IC and not personally. I saw other characters walking away without doing any emotes or anything after my character passed by and said hello or nodded. I never complain and don't really care. Just sometimes it's a bit confusing. Sometimes people just stand around and when I stop and nod or say hi they don't say anything. So I think they are afk but at the same moment when I want to walk off they suddenly move and walk away. It's fine for me just a bit confusing sometimes. Making an emote would help there probably. I don't say people HAVE to do it. It just would be nice  . |
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magus_taliesin

Posts: 1559 Join date: 2010-11-19
 | Subject: Re: Rude and antisocial characters - Opinions please Sat 16 Apr - 5:08 | |
| | Falling Leaf wrote: | I think it should be pretty clear that everything a character does should only be taken IC and not personally. I saw other characters walking away without doing any emotes or anything after my character passed by and said hello or nodded. I never complain and don't really care. Just sometimes it's a bit confusing. Sometimes people just stand around and when I stop and nod or say hi they don't say anything. So I think they are afk but at the same moment when I want to walk off they suddenly move and walk away. It's fine for me just a bit confusing sometimes. Making an emote would help there probably. I don't say people HAVE to do it. It just would be nice . |
Sorry, I ignored the first time you agreed with Gainu, but this time I can't. If you believe it would be nice, then please do it yourself. I don't think you should have to, but please don't come here and say it would be nice to see right after...
Maya: *watches Karovir and another pass* "Goodday gentlemen"
Karovir:
(blank for a reason)
Granted, you might not have seen it but that's not the only instance. I took it as ignoring my priestess IC, but now it's confusing. Were you ignoring her IC, or were you ignoring me OOC? You say it's the nice thing to do...so, was it you just not being nice? Not criticizing the RP to be clear. I was fine with it, until I see the posts in this thread. Consistency is key. And accepting everyone's RP style is key, just please be consistent. |
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Gainu

Posts: 72 Join date: 2011-04-07 Age: 21 Location: UK
 | Subject: Re: Rude and antisocial characters - Opinions please Sat 16 Apr - 5:19 | |
| Just to clarify, i'm not taking it personally, i don't mean to judge others rp and I'm not expecting or asking anyone to role play the way i role play. I'm just asking opinions, so I can see this from the other side.
I think I better add, I have aspergers syndrome, part of this is Mind blindness, these are two defninitions: Mind-blindness can be described as an inability to develop an awareness of what is in the mind of another human & The inability to deduce or make educated guesses about another person's mental state
This is the reason why I ask these things, and come up with these topics. I did send someone a tell asking but they thought I was complaining about their rp, so it didn't go all that well. So i posted it here, hoping to get insight on the subject.
Thank you,
Gainu |
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Falling Leaf

Posts: 785 Join date: 2010-11-24
 | Subject: Re: Rude and antisocial characters - Opinions please Sat 16 Apr - 5:57 | |
| | Quote: | Sorry, I ignored the first time you agreed with Gainu, but this time I can't. If you believe it would be nice, then please do it yourself. I don't think you should have to, but please don't come here and say it would be nice to see right after...
Maya: *watches Karovir and another pass* "Goodday gentlemen"
Karovir:
(blank for a reason)
Granted, you might not have seen it but that's not the only instance. I took it as ignoring my priestess IC, but now it's confusing. Were you ignoring her IC, or were you ignoring me OOC? You say it's the nice thing to do...so, was it you just not being nice? Not criticizing the RP to be clear. I was fine with it, until I see the posts in this thread. Consistency is key. And accepting everyone's RP style is key, just please be consistent. |
I don't know why you are starting to argue around or doing this but I think I was typing to another character that moment. This is not the first post of yours which was directly aimed against me. I think you are taking the RP between Karovir and the Eilistraeens way to personal which is why I try to avoid you. So now it's said because you are asking for it. I won't say more to this. |
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mute83

Posts: 130 Join date: 2011-01-02 Age: 29 Location: Denmark
 | Subject: Re: Rude and antisocial characters - Opinions please Sat 16 Apr - 8:47 | |
| I have played, and partly still does, such a char. And when this was brought to my attention, i sometimes did it, to show them it was part of his RP, and i just wasnt in a rush to go loot, grind, etc. I dont say you have to type it, but it can be a good idea to have it in mind |
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Vekin

Posts: 470 Join date: 2011-02-03 Location: England
 | Subject: Re: Rude and antisocial characters - Opinions please Sat 16 Apr - 8:53 | |
| To me it also depends on who your ignoring.
If its a player I have not seen before I usually emote something as I pass if I dont have the time to stop. They might be new to the server and it shows that I am not ignoring them in OOC. If its someone who I have passed many times before and would have no reason to stop and chat I would seen no reason to emote anything. |
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Ghar Thurion

Posts: 355 Join date: 2010-10-08 Location: Norway
 | Subject: Re: Rude and antisocial characters - Opinions please Sat 16 Apr - 8:58 | |
| It is rather obvious if a person turns their back and walks away that they are ignoring the other person. I see no reason for stating the very obvious.
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