Hide in Plain Sight (Su)

A shadowdancer can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as she is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, a shadowdancer can hide herself from view in the open without anything to actually hide behind. She cannot, however, hide in her own shadow.


Supernatural Abilities (Su)

Supernatural abilities are magical and go away in an antimagic field but are not subject to spell resistance, counterspells, or to being dispelled by dispel magic. Using a supernatural ability is a standard action unless noted otherwise. Supernatural abilities may have a use limit or be usable at will, just like spell-like abilities. However, supernatural abilities do not provoke attacks of opportunity and never require Concentration checks. Unless otherwise noted, a supernatural ability has an effective caster level equal to the creature’s Hit Dice. The saving throw (if any) against a supernatural ability is:

10 + ½ the creature’s HD + the creature’s ability modifier (usually Charisma).

HiPs is also not the same as shadow stepping. You do not enter the ethereal. It's supernatural, but it's still hide. You do not become invisible as the spell, become ethereal, or enter the shadow plane.

True seeing does reveal someone using HiPs.

Correct, True Seeing is by all chances the worst spell that was PRENERFED. That spell should be an extremely powerful spell and the nice thing about it if it could be implemented correclty is it would cut down on many servers the # of assassin(more specifically HIPS) builds. I think assassins are great, but I tend to also think that High Priest should be a very discouraging target for an assassin when they are facing someone that can call the wrath of a god down upon them.

Bear in mind that hips is not necessarily a supernatural shadow-walk type of deal for all classes that take it, just Shadowdancer to my knowledge. I would suspect a ranger's HiPS has more to do with nature, or blending into the background than shadows. I know a good link that describes the various ways different classes use HiPS and how they should treat it in RP - but it's on a certain other PW's forum, so i wont post it here. Anyone who's interested can PM me for the link.

ah, i sorta just assumed the shadow step thing is the same thing as hips.

yeah I would say it is more like dimension door as well. Hhmmm...this looks like a perfect place to put this topic, as I started the same one on BG's thread: Teleport, Dimension Door, Wizard Eye, Arcane Mark

If people used components as it should be, spells would not be as powerful as they are deemed to be. Spells like true seeing were just badly implemented by obsidiots.

Most of the servers I have played in de-activated True Seeing so that it can not detect someone who is stealthed.

I think that makes sense.

True Seeing does not and should not reveal someone using HIPS. The means in which they bend shadows from ten feet away to hide behind is Supernatural. The shadows themselves are not illusions.

Most Light and Darkness spells do not fall under the category of Illusion either, They're evocation spells, and those wouldn't even be effected by True Seeing. Only Darkness effects in which SR would apply would be subject to the effect. As things without SR while created by magic, Are not themselves magical and so isn't 'magical darkness".

On an unrelated note, A Hide in Plain Sight user would not be able to use his abilities in an Anti-Magic field or a Dead Magic zone.

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If people used components as it should be, spells would not be as powerful as they are deemed to be. Razz Spells like true seeing were just badly implemented by obsidiots.

Adding components to spells would be... Unfair, As spells like True Seeing are MUCH weaker than what they should be already. Someone buffed with True Seeing would be completely uneffected by things such as Displacement, Greater Invisibility Concealment, Mirror Image.

and spells such as Blind-sight WOULD reveal stealthed people. (and only one PrC I know of has True Stealth, which defends against Blindsight, Blindsense, and Tremorsense.)